wwwwwwwwwwwww faction and fictionkin talk
Factionkin.
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No.
The word you are looking for is factive.
Maybe they’re talking about beings who identify as Horde or Alliance?
- K
I think this is something I need to say
(And I’m not sure the rest of the folks up here agree with me on this - but this is how I feel.)
I don’t care if the only way you can understand me is to think that I am a role-play character. I don’t care if you’re simply unwilling to believe that I am anything else. That doesn’t really concern me; think what you want.
My issue, then, lies with the people who decide that we need to be made aware of these things they think about us. The people who make blogs making fun of us, who send anonymous (always anonymous) asks telling us, “You’re roleplaying! Get help!”
Do you go to blogs that say they’re roleplay blogs and tell the owners to get help?
No?
Then why say that to us, if you honestly think that we are?
Is there something wrong with roleplaying?
I don’t even think that it’s the “We reject the idea that we are roleplaying” thing, because there are actual RP blogs (whose owners acknowledge them as such elsewhere) who never break character and who claim to not be roleplaying - and nobody ever sends them hate like plural folks get.
I don’t think you actually believe that we’re roleplaying. I think that you’re just searching for ways to, as Nines put it, “Kick the Freaks”. And that’s why I think you’re assholes.
If someone is engaging in behavior that is harmful to other people, it is sensible to attempt to make them aware of this and to try to get them to stop, and it is also sensible to dislike them if they do not stop. However, if someone is doing something you don’t understand, or that seems weird or “stupid” to you, but they are not actually harming anyone - you really don’t need to tell them, “I think you’re stupid and weird.” That’s not helpful to anyone, and is often an actually harmful action (which, therefore, people are justified in trying to get you to stop doing, see how this works?).
- Mor
rpers usually aren’t claiming to have a discredited mental disorder that manifests itself as ~wacky roleplay logs~ 99% of the time, they also don’t encourage impressionable teenies to DELIBERATELY ENDUCE HALLUCINATIONS so they can talk to their ‘headmates’, also as far as i know rpers don’t claim to be psychic or travel astrally into other rpers brains, which might be why people treat multiples differently from rpers, ~the more you know~.
Okay, let’s examine that.
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“rpers usually aren’t claiming to have a discredited mental disorder that manifests itself as ~wacky roleplay logs~ 99% of the time”
“Tumblr multiples” as we so often get called fall into one of two distinct camps: systems who don’t claim to have DID and systems who actually have DID. The vast majority of the latter folks are diagnosed, which is to say a mental health professional has examined and worked with them and believes they have DID.
The people who don’t claim to have DID are… not claiming to have DID, remarkably, so they don’t fall into this “reason”. The people who do have DID…have DID (and usually trolls spend most of their time claiming to be “defending” these folks from “Tumblr multiples”) and, as stated, are more often than not diagnosed with it so the level of “You’re faking” implied in this “reason” is moot.
(It’s also probably important to note that what gets posted on Tumblr is not the be-all of how a system’s plurality “manifests”, regardless of whether or not that system believes they have a mental disorder. We’ve talked about this before and had other systems chime in with agreement, we don’t talk about everything that goes on with us on Tumblr.)
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“they also don’t encourage impressionable teenies to DELIBERATELY ENDUCE HALLUCINATIONS so they can talk to their ‘headmates’”
That actually sounds a hell of a lot more like the Tulpa crowd than the plural crowd, from what I’ve seen - and we’ve got enough issues with them. (Mainly that it seems like the shit they pull gets lumped in with plural stuff when we’re entirely different.)
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“also as far as i know rpers don’t claim to be psychic or travel astrally into other rpers brains”
A lot of occult/pagan folks do, and they don’t get near the level of hate that we do either. Funny, that.
“which might be why people treat multiples differently from rpers”
Now that’s all well and good (except that it isn’t) but in fact doesn’t actually speak to my points… I was talking specifically about addressing us as role-play characters, not actual roleplayers (that’s quite different; nobody acts as though I am a roleplayer, they act as though I do not exist). There are several role-play character blogs whose characters do claim to have mental illnesses, and whose characters do claim to be psychic or other such things. (There are Magic the Gathering Planeswalker blogs. There’s an Ask An Ork [from Warhammer 40k] blog. Just as examples of “ridiculous characters”.)
It would’ve been nice if you had actually put this input into your reblogged post, however - this is in fact the kind of discussion I am looking to have, even if you misread or misunderstood my point.
- Mor
I think this is something I need to say
(And I’m not sure the rest of the folks up here agree with me on this - but this is how I feel.)
I don’t care if the only way you can understand me is to think that I am a role-play character. I don’t care if you’re simply unwilling to believe that I am anything else. That doesn’t really concern me; think what you want.
My issue, then, lies with the people who decide that we need to be made aware of these things they think about us. The people who make blogs making fun of us, who send anonymous (always anonymous) asks telling us, “You’re roleplaying! Get help!”
Do you go to blogs that say they’re roleplay blogs and tell the owners to get help?
No?
Then why say that to us, if you honestly think that we are?
Is there something wrong with roleplaying?
I don’t even think that it’s the “We reject the idea that we are roleplaying” thing, because there are actual RP blogs (whose owners acknowledge them as such elsewhere) who never break character and who claim to not be roleplaying - and nobody ever sends them hate like plural folks get.
I don’t think you actually believe that we’re roleplaying. I think that you’re just searching for ways to, as Nines put it, “Kick the Freaks”. And that’s why I think you’re assholes.
If someone is engaging in behavior that is harmful to other people, it is sensible to attempt to make them aware of this and to try to get them to stop, and it is also sensible to dislike them if they do not stop. However, if someone is doing something you don’t understand, or that seems weird or “stupid” to you, but they are not actually harming anyone - you really don’t need to tell them, “I think you’re stupid and weird.” That’s not helpful to anyone, and is often an actually harmful action (which, therefore, people are justified in trying to get you to stop doing, see how this works?).
- Mor
I do not understand how having fictives in your system invalidates your status as a multiple.
I’ve been here for more than a year and I still understand nothing about this community.
“Because if we throw the people who look weird under a bus maybe they’ll treat us better!”
That’s it.
And nothing else.
No, we don’t think this is cool or cute. This is just how we are. This is just how our existence manifests. The only way this would be insulting to “”“real sufferers”“” (:/) is if we were making it up and we are not.
(You seriously underestimate or ignore how some of us are fucking terrified literally all of the time. Just because we’re not DID doesn’t make it any less scary. One day I’ll finally talk about that, but… you won’t listen anyway.)
- Nines
Lee: The idea that some people have that only certain types of experiences should be blogged about and others shouldn’t be unless you’re willing to talk about how BAD AND AWFUL they are is ridiculous.
Example - I blog about being a rape survivor and how I’ve grown from that experience…
The part that gets me is, if we focus on the positives we’re faking because “REAL” plurality is SCARY and BAD, but if we talk about the negative stuff we’re faking and “trivializing REAL [abuse or whathaveyou, depending on what the negative stuff in question is]”.(I’ve seen people who talk about being raped and abused by headmates and how people respond to that - I do not in the least blame Nines for not wanting to talk about a lot of our past.) There is no possible way to be taken seriously by these people. When systems say “No, we don’t claim to have DID” they get told they’re trivializing it anyway, and when systems say “We’ve been diagnosed with DID” they get told that “oh well lots of doctors don’t even think that’s a real thing, so you’re just making shit up”. They don’t actually care about what is or isn’t harmful to neuroatypical people, they’re only in it because bullying people who are different is fun for them.
- Mor
you should seriously get yourself checked out for DID or something because roleplaying with yourself is really sad
Anonymous- We don’t fit the diagnostic criteria for DID.
- Even if we did I’m not sure how you’d come to the conclusion that we’re roleplaying - or that roleplaying is the same as having DID or similar conditions. (That’s….really a huge leap of logic there.)
- Nines has been attempting to seek therapy for what she calls “mystery-crazy” as well as her history of trauma for years; as a minor her parents dismissed her wishes, and since coming of age she has had neither the money nor the transportation to do so. You’re welcome to make a donation as to furthering this if you wish; simply contact us again and let us know and we’ll provide you with a method of helping out.
Thank you for your apparent concern, but we are fine.
- Mor
We’re meaning to write up something about what we consider the “darker” part of our history
At some point
When we actually have time
- Nines & Mor
“You’re faking this and I can tell because if it was real it would be scary for you!”
[Nines] doesn’t talk about when things are scary in great detail - because they’re scary, and she’s trained her mind to run away from frightening things. So you people don’t see that it scares her, because you can only see what she (and we) chooses to tell.
I do not think she is unique in this.
Just a thought.
- Slade
